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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Eye on February 17, 2017, 07:43:48 AM

Title: Majerus HOF
Post by: Eye on February 17, 2017, 07:43:48 AM
Saw something online about Majerus earlier today. Shouldn't Majerus be in the Naismith HOF?
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: brandx on February 17, 2017, 07:45:55 AM
No.

Not. A. Chance. Ever.


Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: GGGG on February 17, 2017, 08:00:07 AM
If you look at the college coaches inducted from his era, he is a notch below in terms of accomplishments. 
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 17, 2017, 08:20:37 AM
4/12 times he advanced past the first weekend in the NCAA tournament that's not hof worthy. Great coach after MU and wish we had him for that stretch but not hof worthy
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
I'm not much of an award person.  But I will engage the topic. 

Depends on your definition and criteria of HOF worthy.  My criteria would be different than some others.  Majerus coached at some of the toughest places to win at the times he was there.  He was never overly interestd in coaching a big high profile program.  But the success he had at the places he was at ...?.....very strong.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Goose on February 17, 2017, 11:05:57 AM
He was considered by his peers for having top five knowledge of the game. Highly respected by his peers and they know better than any of us.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: skianth16 on February 17, 2017, 11:10:28 AM
He was considered by his peers for having top five knowledge of the game. Highly respected by his peers and they know better than any of us.

I'v heard this too, but unfortunately, that doesn't always translate into the same level of respect from those outside the coaching circle. I assume Majerus will always be remembered fondly and spoken of highly but won't really have much of a shot of the HOF.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: willie warrior on February 17, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
He was considered by his peers for having top five knowledge of the game. Highly respected by his peers and they know better than any of us.
Yep. A blast from the Mcguire era. As I recall, he was from Sheyboygan, ai na. Never met a brat he did not like.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: wadesworld on February 17, 2017, 12:40:19 PM
I was grade school friends with his godfather's grandson.  My friend always got to go to Rick's camp at Cardinal Stritch for free and got to take a friend along.  I got to go for free twice.  One year I won "Best Passer" and the other I won "Most Improved Player."  I think Ners won "MVP" both years.  He sent me a letter when he was coaching at Utah, so I guess you could say he recruited me to Utah.  He backed off when Ners showed interest, though.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 17, 2017, 12:48:46 PM
He belongs in the Utah and (maybe) SLU Halls of Fame.  He makes it in as part of the team picture for the 1977 Championship team in the MU HOF.  That is all, and that is enough.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: T-Bone on February 17, 2017, 12:53:31 PM
Question:  Was he run out after his 3 seasons as head coach, or did he decide to leave for Ball State?  (seems like a no-brainer to me, but have no idea what the circumstances were).

Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
I was grade school friends with his godfather's grandson.  My friend always got to go to Rick's camp at Cardinal Stritch for free and got to take a friend along.  I got to go for free twice.  One year I won "Best Passer" and the other I won "Most Improved Player."  I think Ners won "MVP" both years.  He sent me a letter when he was coaching at Utah, so I guess you could say he recruited me to Utah.  He backed off when Ners showed interest, though.


Ya didn't get da Riley Crean MVP trophy, hey?
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: keefe on February 17, 2017, 02:02:20 PM

Ya didn't get da Riley Crean MVP trophy, hey?

Still one of the most outrageous moments in the long, shameful tenure of the Bronze Beast.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Benny B on February 17, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
I was grade school friends with his godfather's grandson.  My friend always got to go to Rick's camp at Cardinal Stritch for free and got to take a friend along.  I got to go for free twice.  One year I won "Best Passer" and the other I won "Most Improved Player."  I think Ners won "MVP" both years.  He sent me a letter when he was coaching at Utah, so I guess you could say he recruited me to Utah.  He backed off when Ners showed interest, though.

This is all sorts of good stuff in here.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2017, 02:36:46 PM
Slam dunk.  Dale Brown is in for god's sake.  Three F2s as a coach.  Top tactician and match up strategist.  No one could explain every nuance of the game like Rick.  Broadcaster and college hoops champion.  Made the post season at four different schools. Still the winningest coach in MU's history. Graduated kids.  His heart was as big as his appetite.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: GGGG on February 17, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
Question:  Was he run out after his 3 seasons as head coach, or did he decide to leave for Ball State?  (seems like a no-brainer to me, but have no idea what the circumstances were).



He felt a lot of pressure and left to be a Bucks assistant for a year. Took the Ball State job the next year.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 17, 2017, 03:14:08 PM
Question:  Was he run out after his 3 seasons as head coach, or did he decide to leave for Ball State?  (seems like a no-brainer to me, but have no idea what the circumstances were).

He didn't go right to Ball St. He coached in the NBA for a year under Don Nelson before returning to the college game.

He was not run off at MU.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Goose on February 17, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
He quit in the summer and has not run out. That said, there was not folks fighting with him to stay. Best decision in Rick's life and I 100% enjoyed watching his success. One of my favorite people of all time.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: MU82 on February 17, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
Still the winningest coach in MU's history.

Really? Are we gonna start counting wins as an assistant?

I'm a big fan of Majerus and (channeling my inner chicos) I knew him quite well. But c'mon!
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: T-Bone on February 17, 2017, 04:41:27 PM
Thank you Vinnie and Lenny, I forgot about his time with the Bucks.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2017, 05:08:17 PM
Really? Are we gonna start counting wins as an assistant?

I'm a big fan of Majerus and (channeling my inner chicos) I knew him quite well. But c'mon!

Rick was an integral part of a dynasty.  Why shouldn't his assistant numbers also be considered in his total body of work for the HOF?  Should we dismiss Denny Crum's work at UCLA where he was Wooden's assistant from 1963-1971?  Btw, Rick's career head coach winning percentage was .706 (with 517 wins) versus Crum's .696.

So, if the criteria is to exclude the body of work as an assistant, please start the petition to drum Tex Winter out.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2017, 05:21:43 PM
Adding...
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Coach: A coach must be either fully retired for four full seasons or, if still an active coach, have coached as either a fulltime assistant or head coach on the high school and/or college and/or professional level for a minimum of 25 years. That person will then be considered for Enshrinement in the sixth year of retirement or 26th year of active coaching.

http://www.hoophall.com/about/about-hall/our-mission/election-process/
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: The Lens on February 17, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
Rick is 100% a HOFer.  Especially if coaches have a say.  Tremendous respect for him within the profession.  Rick was a lot like Al & Buzz.  He knew how to take "squirmy" kids, get them to buy in and have them be better players and PEOPLE for it. 
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2017, 12:28:40 AM
Majerus is a Hall of Fame coach. He coached at a high level at 4 different programs . He was able to get max potential out of his players and was a very good recruiter.

If Dwayne Johnson would have remained academically eligible , Majerus final team at MU would have likely made the NCAA Tournament and he may have never left.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: The Equalizer on February 18, 2017, 02:26:44 AM
Majerus is a Hall of Fame coach. He coached at a high level at 4 different programs . He was able to get max potential out of his players and was a very good recruiter.

If Dwayne Johnson would have remained academically eligible , Majerus final team at MU would have likely made the NCAA Tournament and he may have never left.

Johnson wouldn't have been around for Majerus' final season. He was a frosh in 81-82, and played 82-83 and 83-84. Had he remained eligible, he would have played the 84-85 season.

Majerus final season was 85-86.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 18, 2017, 08:28:16 AM
Johnson wouldn't have been around for Majerus' final season. He was a frosh in 81-82, and played 82-83 and 83-84. Had he remained eligible, he would have played the 84-85 season.

Majerus final season was 85-86.

I think his point was that we would have made the dance in 84-85 instead of finishing 18-10 and going to the NIT.  This in turn would have had an impact on the next season (seat not as hot) and quite possibly beyond....
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2017, 09:33:21 AM
Johnson wouldn't have been around for Majerus' final season. He was a frosh in 81-82, and played 82-83 and 83-84. Had he remained eligible, he would have played the 84-85 season.

Majerus final season was 85-86.
Dwayne sat out a year to try and regain eligibility and hoped to play in 85-86.   Here is a good article about the plan which ultimately did not succeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/15/sports/scouting-166835.html

Johnson played his final year in D3.

Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Rick missed on Wolf and Olson. End of story, hey?
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Goose on February 18, 2017, 11:06:55 AM
Wolf and Ricky broke the big guys heart. It was time for a change and it worked out great for Rick.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Nukem2 on February 18, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
Dwayne sat out a year to try and regain eligibility and hoped to play in 85-86.   Here is a good article about the plan which ultimately did not succeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/15/sports/scouting-166835.html

Johnson played his final year in D3.
Yep, went to UW-Whitewater
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: brandx on February 18, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
Rick was my favorite MU coach, but he is not a HOF coach. Back then, coaches could discuss recruits any time they wanted. He was on Homer's show every week during the season (back when Homer actually talked about sports) talking about recruiting. He would talk at length about guys he was going after - Wolf, Olson, Doc, Downing, Reeder, etc. for hours on end.

But, he didn't even make the Dance over 50% of his years coaching. And most of the time that he did was at Utah which is not exactly a blue blood.

The HOF is for great coaches and players - not for very good ones.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Nukem2 on February 18, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
Rick was my favorite MU coach, but he is not a HOF coach. Back then, coaches could discuss recruits any time they wanted. He was on Homer's show every week during the season (back when Homer actually talked about sports) talking about recruiting. He would talk at length about guys he was going after - Wolf, Olson, Doc, Downing, Reeder, etc. for hours on end.

But, he didn't even make the Dance over 50% of his years coaching. And most of the time that he did was at Utah which is not exactly a blue blood.

The HOF is for great coaches and players - not for very good ones.
Homer was yet not around back then in the 80s.  Rick was on all of the local radio shows quite often.  But, the NCAA had not yet cracked down on talking about recruits (both Al and Hank would talk about the recruiting prospects as well). 
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: The Lens on February 18, 2017, 02:13:40 PM
Jack Baker's sports talk?

(I'm old)
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2017, 03:21:34 PM
Rick was an integral part of a dynasty.  Why shouldn't his assistant numbers also be considered in his total body of work for the HOF?  Should we dismiss Denny Crum's work at UCLA where he was Wooden's assistant from 1963-1971?  Btw, Rick's career head coach winning percentage was .706 (with 517 wins) versus Crum's .696.

So, if the criteria is to exclude the body of work as an assistant, please start the petition to drum Tex Winter out.

Crum didn't need his work as an assistant to be a HoFer. Neither will Williams or Izzo.

As for Tex vs. Rick, I'll tell you what ... if Rick had been a key assistant on teams that won 10 NBA championships, I'd be touting him, too. Tex has the kind of resume an assistant MUST have if he's to be considered for the Hall.

Again, I was a big fan of Majerus and knew him personally. He simply didn't win enough as a coach to be a HoFer.
Title: Re: Majerus HOF
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
Crum didn't need his work as an assistant to be a HoFer. Neither will Williams or Izzo.

As for Tex vs. Rick, I'll tell you what ... if Rick had been a key assistant on teams that won 10 NBA championships, I'd be touting him, too. Tex has the kind of resume an assistant MUST have if he's to be considered for the Hall.

Again, I was a big fan of Majerus and knew him personally. He simply didn't win enough as a coach to be a HoFer.

What is your feeling on Bo Ryan's chances?