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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: JD on August 20, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
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Not looking to get my head bit off here....Just relaying what i was told.
I'm friends with a girl and her brother (Kendal Miller) is about to be a senior for Germantown H.S. To make a long story short, Buzz emailed her brother telling him he should continue playing basketball,(Her brother didn't see eye to eye with the coach) Not sure if he's being recruited..(I couldn't imagine he would play for a D1 school)
Anyway, he is best friends with J.P. and she was telling me how he was hanging out with him all weekend. From what she told me, it sounds like J.P. still considers MU as a school to play for. I don't think we were in his final 5 list, however i did find this interesting. She told me that J.P stated he would like staying close to home, and playing with his friends, etc and doesn't want to sit on the bench at UNC. I still don't think it will happen, however one can hope right?
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IF..... this were true, and he wanted to come to MU, would he have to sit out a year as a transfer, or could he play right away, as the school year has not started yet?
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If NC were to give him a realease before the school year started he could play right away just like TJ taylor. If school starts or NC does not he would have to sit out a year.
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IF..... this were true, and he wanted to come to MU, would he have to sit out a year as a transfer, or could he play right away, as the school year has not started yet?
Would need to get a release from his NLI. Could play right away then. Don't hold your breath.
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https://twitter.com/AirPierreTokoto/status/237312869249716224
Last status seems to be doing just fine, returning "home" to Chapel Hill, presumably after being in Wisconsin for the weekend. Classes at UNC start tomorrow. Not happening.
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The next Jamil Wilson perhaps?
OK, not likely but I always enjoy a good rumor.
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I'm friends with a girl and her brother (Kendal Miller) is about to be a senior for Germantown H.S...Anyway, he is best friends with J.P. and she was telling me how he was hanging out with him all weekend. From what she told me...
I wonder if she knows the person who sometimes posts links to the stream for games.
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The next Jamil Wilson perhaps?
OK, not likely but I always enjoy a good rumor.
Hardly a rumor, I identified her brothers name, it was confirmed via twitter he was home, i have no reason to lie about something so stupid.
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I wonder if she knows the person who sometimes posts links to the stream for games.
Doubtful, but i can ask her tonight.
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Hardly a rumor, I identified her brothers name, it was confirmed via twitter he was home, i have no reason to lie about something so stupid.
No one said you were lying. However I think there is a lot of exaggeration and positive spin to your story.
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Hardly a rumor, I identified her brothers name, it was confirmed via twitter he was home, i have no reason to lie about something so stupid.
I'm not saying that you're lying. I just think that hearing about this from Tokoto's friend's sister is not exactly concrete info. No offense intended.
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No one said you were lying. However I think there is a lot of exaggeration and positive spin to your story.
Maybe I can get her to text me what he said, then i could upload that perhaps?
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Maybe I can get her to text me what he said, then i could upload that perhaps?
I think you're better off just letting it go.
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Too funny!
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Before the storm hits, I want to clarify that I was just having a little fun with the "friend's brother's friend" aspect of the story. I think it's great if people post what they've heard on this board, and sometimes hate how they get their "head bit off here" when they do. We've gotten some good information this way. Of course, we've also gotten a fair amount bad info.
I'm not holding my breath for official news of the Tokoto transfer, but I've got no problem with JDuquaine sharing what he heard.
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Most player's that end up transfering end up going closer to home. I would have to think if JP opted to transfer out we would be under consideration. Look at Jones, EW, TJ, etc. They all end up going closer to home.
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Before the storm hits, I want to clarify that I was just having a little fun with the "friend's brother's friend" aspect of the story. I think it's great if people post what they've heard on this board, and sometimes hate how they get their "head bit off here" when they do. We've gotten some good information this way. Of course, we've also gotten a fair amount bad info.
I'm not holding my breath for official news of the Tokoto transfer, but I've got no problem with JDuquaine sharing what he heard.
This. When people explain where they get their info with some degree of particularity, and are clearly just relaying information and letting the board do with it what we will, I really think that is one of the most beneficial aspects to a message board.
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Maybe I can get her to text me what he said, then i could upload that perhaps?
I didn't say that you were the one exaggerating or putting a positive spin on it....your friend might be.
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I didn't say that you were the one exaggerating or putting a positive spin on it....your friend might be.
Does anyone know if this friend's sister is perhaps friends with Tarik Black as well?
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Murray, I'll get the donuts if you can grab two seats at Chuckie Cheese's for the presser.
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This thread is worthless without pics of the sister. (assuming she's 18. If not, pm them to jaybee)
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Not doubting the story, but it's possible that we are making a jump to this meaning that he wants to leave UNC and play for Marquette. I could see him saying it in the context of his friend's story about getting some encouragement from Buzz. I think it was known that Tokoto and Buzz got along pretty well. So it wouldn't surprise me if he had us in mind in the event that things didn't work out at UNC for the reasons listed. Doesn't mean it will happen and I highly doubt anything would happen before this season.
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Not doubting the story, but it's possible that we are making a jump to this meaning that he wants to leave UNC and play for Marquette. I could see him saying it in the context of his friend's story about getting some encouragement from Buzz. I think it was known that Tokoto and Buzz got along pretty well. So it wouldn't surprise me if he had us in mind in the event that things didn't work out at UNC for the reasons listed. Doesn't mean it will happen and I highly doubt anything would happen before this season.
Exactly, he got the dream offer from UNC, he's at least going to check it out for a year before bailing.
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This thread is worthless without pics of the sister. (assuming she's 18. If not, pm them to jaybee)
Let me see what i can upload on my work computer without being escorted out the door....
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Just for Bee Jay, nobody else look please....
Mod edit: JDuquaine, no need for a pic - it was just a joke. I'm helping you here.
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If JPT left UNC for MU would this qualify as a reverse Hiroshima?
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If JPT left UNC for MU would this qualify as a reverse Hiroshima?
Amihsorih?
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If JPT left UNC for MU would this qualify as a reverse Hiroshima?
http://www.youtube.com/v/zZcZ6eJoxeE
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I said when he picked UNC that Wisconsin was always going to be second but never first. If he transfers, I'm sure it won't be until after his freshman year, and he won't go to Wisconsin. Everything about the way they play is the opposite of what he said he wanted.
Regardless, I definitely wouldn't be posting pics, JD. While it's a constant joke on this and other sites, it's not exactly in good taste, especially if you want to stay in the good graces of said girl.
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I said when he picked UNC that Wisconsin was always going to be second but never first. If he transfers, I'm sure it won't be until after his freshman year, and he won't go to Wisconsin. Everything about the way they play is the opposite of what he said he wanted.
Regardless, I definitely wouldn't be posting pics, JD. While it's a constant joke on this and other sites, it's not exactly in good taste, especially if you want to stay in the good graces of said girl.
+1. first time the request has been granted=little creepy, pushing squirmy.
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ZFB is just salty cause his wife is in the pic with the girl
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I said when he picked UNC that Wisconsin was always going to be second but never first. If he transfers, I'm sure it won't be until after his freshman year, and he won't go to Wisconsin. Everything about the way they play is the opposite of what he said he wanted.
Agreed then and now. He was showing respect to Bo and appeasing UW fans but he was never going there. He didn't want to play at that pace/in that system.
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Not trying to flame or anything like that, but JP isn't going anywhere. He's a great fit at UNC, they won't be able to keep that kind of athletiscm off the court. If he proves he can consistently hit jumpers, he'll go pro early.
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Not trying to flame or anything like that, but JP isn't going anywhere. He's a great fit at UNC, they won't be able to keep that kind of athletiscm off the court. If he proves he can consistently hit jumpers, he'll go pro early.
I feel like this whole thread sounds like it results from a version of the game "telephone."
Miller tell JP that Buzz told him to keep playing ball.
JP: That's cool. Buzz is the type of coach I'd like to play for.
Miller: JP wants to play for Buzz.
Sister: JP plans to transfer to MU.
MUScoop: Tokoto to Marquette!
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in my mind, i thought he chose unc cuz williams was on him and it was sexy. but after all the excitement dies down, i believe he regrets that a little. he always said he would have preferred to play close to home...unc?? maybe if ya have your own plane. i think mu would have been the perfect fir for his style and friends and family can pee there way to the bc or whatever it's called now
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Not trying to flame or anything like that, but JP isn't going anywhere. He's a great fit at UNC, they won't be able to keep that kind of athletiscm off the court. If he proves he can consistently hit jumpers, he'll go pro early.
Not saying he'll transfer, but it would be surprising if Tokoto got meaningful minutes right away. Even with Barnes, Henson and Zeller gone UNC has a lot of frontcourt talent coming back.
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My thought would be if he plays, IE top 7-8 on the rotation, he will be very happy, but like most kids if he does not and went farther away from home for school he will not. IMO.
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I'm gonna guess he didn't commit to North Carolina and then get on campus and say, "Whoa, there's other top-100 talent here and I won't be guaranteed a starting/major role right away?"
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Everyone who thinks he needs to be a starter or top 7 in the rotation to get meaningful minutes does not understand the system Roy Williams runs. They run, and then they run, and then they run some more. They start 5 stars and then they sub in 5 more stars and they continue to run and push the tempo as much as they can. Even if you are the best player in the country, you are not going to see over 32 minutes per game for Roy, and even if you are a "role" player, you will still see over 15 minutes per game.
Not to mention, with all that UNC lost, I would be very surprised if he's not one of their top 8 players. His pure athleticism will get him on the court. He may be the most athletic recruit in the nation. We'll see if he made the right choice in terms of developing into more than an athlete.
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last year they had 8 guys that played 13+mins PG and the 9th guy avg 7 mins and 1 pt.
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Considering ESPN has Tokoto as the fourth best freshman they have coming in, top 7-8 would be very good.
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I'm gonna guess he didn't commit to North Carolina and then get on campus and say, "Whoa, there's other top-100 talent here and I won't be guaranteed a starting/major role right away?"
You should probably contact a couple of his friends' sisters to see if that's true.
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last year they had 8 guys that played 13+mins PG and the 9th guy avg 7 mins and 1 pt.
Stupid facts getting in the way of other guys North Carolina breakdown.
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last year they had 8 guys that played 13+mins PG and the 9th guy avg 7 mins and 1 pt.
Stupid facts getting in the way of other guys North Carolina breakdown.
That'll happen when a starter and a 6th man are out for the year due to season ending injuries, depth becomes an issue. That'd put them at 10 guys with over 13 mpg. That's quite a few fits with solid minutes.
But hey, let's not let those fact things get in the way of reasoning why a guy who didn't choose our school won't make it at the 1 he did choose.
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But hey, let's not let those fact things get in the way of reasoning why a guy who didn't choose our school won't make it at the 1 he did choose.
Yeah, I have never quite understood the whole "he's not good enough to play at <insert school>, but he should come here where there is plenty of time available" line of thinking.
Are we trying to build a title contender or not?
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Yeah, I have never quite understood the whole "he's not good enough to play at <insert school>, but he should come here where there is plenty of time available" line of thinking.
Are we trying to build a title contender or not?
People forget that Jamil Wilson's transfer wasn't because he couldn't cut it at Oregon - although his playing time was cut back toward the end of the year - the reason he transferred was that the head coach who recruited him, Ernie Kent, was fired. (And maybe because Oregon was having a heck of a time hiring Kent's replacement).
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This is how I see this year for Tokoto at UNC. Marcus Paige, Dexter Strickland, Reggie Bullock, Leslie McDonald, James McAdoo, Joel James, PJ Hairston and Brice Johnson are all probably ahead of Tokoto in the rotation if they played today. So he will see the floor but is currently probably ninth. Obviously a lot can change, there will be injuries and they are relying on some freshman who are very talented but unproven.
Tokoto is clearly a great athlete with significant upside and is the type of player that can succeed in UNC's system. But to think his athleticism alone automatically means he will get a lot of action THIS YEAR on that roster is a bit crazy. He needs to be able to hit jumpers on a more consistent basis, tighten up his handle, and put in some serious work in the weight room.
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Tokoto will play if he has developed a perimeter game. He didn't complete this by the end of his HS career(although he had made some progress).
If he is the same player this year as he was last, he will be at MU for his last 3 years.
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Not trying to flame or anything like that, but JP isn't going anywhere. He's a great fit at UNC, they won't be able to keep that kind of athletiscm off the court. If he proves he can consistently hit jumpers, he'll go pro early.
I expect JP to stay at UNC, but thinking that he'll declare early at this point is ludicrous. Kid isn't a top-5 prospect anymore. He's not even top-50. He was an athletic HS player that struggled to do the little things that differentiate the McDonald's All-Americans from the rest of the country. I loved his game at Falls, and truly wish him the best, but at this point, he doesn't project as a NBA player period, much less an early-entrant. He's got a lot of work to do to get to the former, much less the latter.
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Would need to get a release from his NLI. Could play right away then. Don't hold your breath.
Ahhh, we're snorting cheese in here again.
I'm sure JP is a fine young man, but if we strive to be an elite program -- and by all measures we're trying -- why are we THIS excited about a good kid who can't crack UNC's starting line-up. I'm sure he's good but I want to recruit young men who can crack UNC's starting line-up but would rather play for Marquette.
This one befuddles me. Let's hope he succeeds at UNC -- but not SUCCEED at UNC, if you know what I mean. I want Roy shaking his head when a future star comes here instead and starts for us.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLUdb79x0-U
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Very cool video (and interesting that it all four players could conceivably go to different big time bball programs).
I KNOW it's just a video, but Phillip Nolan looks more athletic than I remember in past videos.
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Which dude is Wilson?
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Which dude is Wilson?
Seriously...........................
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Seriously...........................
His eye sight's bad. It comes with old age.
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I expect JP to stay at UNC, but thinking that he'll declare early at this point is ludicrous. Kid isn't a top-5 prospect anymore. He's not even top-50. He was an athletic HS player that struggled to do the little things that differentiate the McDonald's All-Americans from the rest of the country. I loved his game at Falls, and truly wish him the best, but at this point, he doesn't project as a NBA player period, much less an early-entrant. He's got a lot of work to do to get to the former, much less the latter.
Doesn't project as an NBA player? I'll take that bet any day. You realize the NBA is a run and jump league, right? Typically you'd like your "3" man to have a solid outside game, but the more athleticism you have, the more you get away with a less than stellar perimeter game (obviously he would have to be able to hit the mid range jumper though). Not to mention, just playing at UNC will help you get drafted compared to other schools. (David Noel, Rayshawn Terry, 100 other athletic wings who weren't that great)
And notice I said, "if" he gets a jump shot, he could declare early. A very reasonable thought.
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Doesn't project as an NBA player? I'll take that bet any day. You realize the NBA is a run and jump league, right? Typically you'd like your "3" man to have a solid outside game, but the more athleticism you have, the more you get away with a less than stellar perimeter game (obviously he would have to be able to hit the mid range jumper though). Not to mention, just playing at UNC will help you get drafted compared to other schools. (David Noel, Rayshawn Terry, 100 other athletic wings who weren't that great)
And notice I said, "if" he gets a jump shot, he could declare early. A very reasonable thought.
Agreed. He will be paid to play basketball in the United States someday.
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Doesn't project as an NBA player?
The rest of what you said is meaningless fluff. There are a lot of guys in high school that can run and jump. JP is the #68 prospect per RSCI. Not one single service has him projected as a top-50 player. Not one. In the average year, the NBA drafts 60 players, so right there, he's outside being projected as a NBA player. Of those 60 players, about 10 are usually going to be international players. So that means if you're outside the top-50 in the US, you aren't projecting as a NBA player.
He could get there. He could develop into one. But it isn't like he's a 7-footer which are still rare. Maybe he gets there, maybe he doesn't, but when you strictly look at the numbers, he's on the outside looking in based on projections right now, and no one is saying he's got early-entrant ability. I think he has a chance, but it's probably not much better than 50/50, and his best shot at being paid to play basketball in the United States, strictly based on the projections I was referring to, is the NBADL.
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The rest of what you said is meaningless fluff. There are a lot of guys in high school that can run and jump. JP is the #68 prospect per RSCI. Not one single service has him projected as a top-50 player. Not one. In the average year, the NBA drafts 60 players, so right there, he's outside being projected as a NBA player. Of those 60 players, about 10 are usually going to be international players. So that means if you're outside the top-50 in the US, you aren't projecting as a NBA player.
He could get there. He could develop into one. But it isn't like he's a 7-footer which are still rare. Maybe he gets there, maybe he doesn't, but when you strictly look at the numbers, he's on the outside looking in based on projections right now, and no one is saying he's got early-entrant ability. I think he has a chance, but it's probably not much better than 50/50, and his best shot at being paid to play basketball in the United States, strictly based on the projections I was referring to, is the NBADL.
My guess is that if everything else was exactly the same about JP Tokoto but he was an incoming freshman at Marquette rather than at UNC you would be drooling over his athleticism and saying he will be in the NBA very soon. Recruiting rankings mean absolutely nothing about a player's NBA potential.
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I love Burton and Wilson on a potential scale. Right now, they don't project as NBA players. Of all our incoming recruits the next few years, McKay seems like the best bet because he's highly rated and a legit 6'10". But I'm okay with guys not projecting as NBA players. While having them helps, you can still win with guys like Jerel and DJ.
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wilson's got nba measurables.
billingsley-esque...
wonder what our recruits are hearing from opposing coaches related to our smooth and professional AD-BB HC relations this year?
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Plenty of guys have NBA measurables, though. I learned my lesson about projecting guys to the NBA out of high school with Juan. From his tapes and HS dominance, I really thought he could be that point forward type, an Evan Turner type player in a couple years. Now I still think Juan could be very good, but if he had that kind of upside, I have to think he'd have shown a bit more as a freshman. Great mixtape, but just not ready to translate that to a high-major level right away.
Looking at Marquette's current roster, Jamil strikes me as the most likely to make it to the league. Lockett could do it as well, I think he's primarily at Marquette in hopes of increasing his draft odds. Vander, Mayo, and Gardner might have a chance, but I'd say it's pretty slim for all of them. Van has a lot of holes in his game to patch up and really needs to develop into a PG in the next 2 years, Mayo is small for a SG and too inconsistent, while Gardner isn't quick enough to guard 4s and isn't tall enough to be a 5, but has enough raw offensive talent that he still might get a shot.
But our incoming HS guys? Not going to project any of them as NBA players. Not Taylor, not Burton, not Wilson, not Nunn if he comes. McKay, because it sounds like he's a true 6'10" without shoes and has proven himself at least at a post-HS level, I'd probably give an edge to over anyone that will be on the roster next year other than Jamil. Looney and Stone, okay, both are consensus top-10 players, IF they stay there, they should go pro, but there's a long time for their ratings to drop.
Until you prove yourself in high-major hoops, I don't like projecting anyone into the NBA, especially guys that are sub-50 in the RSCI.
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I am not arguing that Juan will be a pro. I just want to comment on what he showed his freshman year. Remember he played most of the season with an injured shoulder that required surgery this summer. Until he is fully recovered we really will not know how good he can be. I do think Steve Taylor will play ahead of him even if Juan is 100%. Steve has a better college body, but I do like Juan's ability to pass and he could be a very exciting player with a stronger body and stronger ball handling.
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My point is more that projecting any guys that are sub-50 in the recruiting rankings to the NBA is a fool's gambit at best.
Sure, you know for certain guys like Anthony Davis, Nerlens Noel, Jabari Parker, and other locked-in top-3 guys will go pro, but after that, it gets dicey. Not every top-10 will pan out. Certainly not every top-30. I'd guess that of guys ranked 50-100, probably fewer than 20% end up playing in the NBA. That includes not only Tokoto, but almost everyone on Marquette's current and future (committed) roster.
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I think you can separate players ranked 50 to 150 into two catagories. There are lots of players in this catagory that are to short, too slow, etc. to ever be pro players. Remove those players from this group of 100 players and I suspect more than 20% of the remaining ones that work their tail off make the pros for at least a cup of coffee.
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The rest of what you said is meaningless fluff. There are a lot of guys in high school that can run and jump. JP is the #68 prospect per RSCI. Not one single service has him projected as a top-50 player. Not one. In the average year, the NBA drafts 60 players, so right there, he's outside being projected as a NBA player. Of those 60 players, about 10 are usually going to be international players. So that means if you're outside the top-50 in the US, you aren't projecting as a NBA player.
He could get there. He could develop into one. But it isn't like he's a 7-footer which are still rare. Maybe he gets there, maybe he doesn't, but when you strictly look at the numbers, he's on the outside looking in based on projections right now, and no one is saying he's got early-entrant ability. I think he has a chance, but it's probably not much better than 50/50, and his best shot at being paid to play basketball in the United States, strictly based on the projections I was referring to, is the NBADL.
Firstly, they aren't a lot of guys in the NBA who can run and jump like Tokoto. So let's throw your first sentence out right away. Second, you as a MU fan should know rankings mean nothing. (Wade, at one point a top 5 NBA player, not top 50. Maybe not top 150? Not sure. Then every Badger in the NBA, none were top 50. Not even Harris.
And the rest of what you said really made no sense, you started throwing out all these projections and numbers that are worthless.
D-League? Please, get serious.
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Firstly, they aren't a lot of guys in the NBA who can run and jump like Tokoto. So let's throw your first sentence out right away. Second, you as a MU fan should know rankings mean nothing. (Wade, at one point a top 5 NBA player, not top 50. Maybe not top 150? Not sure. Then every Badger in the NBA, none were top 50. Not even Harris.
And the rest of what you said really made no sense, you started throwing out all these projections and numbers that are worthless.
D-League? Please, get serious.
Do you understand the meaning of the word "projected"? When Wade came to Marquette, he didn't project as a NBA player. Tokoto doesn't currently project as a NBA player. If they made mock drafts of the next 4 years, his name wouldn't be on that list right now. That's what projected means.
If you can't figure out what the "all these projections and numbers" are that I threw out, you might want to go back to basic, grade-school math. Pretty sure that by the time you get to second or third grade, you should be able to count to 60.
Again, I said "projected". He isn't projected as a NBA player. I realize that some guys outside the top-50 get there. But assuming that a sub-50 guy is going to play in the NBA when he doesn't have a jumper and hasn't played a minute of college ball is simply asinine.
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Firstly, they aren't a lot of guys in the NBA who can run and jump like Tokoto.
+1.
Guys, there are only about 220 players in the NBA that are on par with JP's athleticism.
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Firstly, they aren't a lot of guys in the NBA who can run and jump like Tokoto. So let's throw your first sentence out right away. Second, you as a MU fan should know rankings mean nothing. (Wade, at one point a top 5 NBA player, not top 50. Maybe not top 150? Not sure. Then every Badger in the NBA, none were top 50. Not even Harris.
And the rest of what you said really made no sense, you started throwing out all these projections and numbers that are worthless.
D-League? Please, get serious.
Huh??? Yeah, only about 95% of the guys in the NBA can run and jump like him. Outside of the NBA, you are pretty much spot on.