Best I could find on Mizzou, not sure if it's good enough. A ton of message board/blog/fan mentions.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/article_53eca514-5628-11e0-abf8-0017a4a78c22.html
As far as silly mentions that are so outlandish they didn't even reach the paranoid MU community, I also found a message board post from last year that cited a tweet from a Miami radio host that had said Buzz interviewed for the Miami job.
Shhhhh, we're in the middle of a final four run, Brad.+1
Shhhhh, we're in the middle of a national championship run, Brad.
Christ guys, can we at least wait until our season is over before this starts up again. Plus if he didnt take the A&M job hes not gonna take the UCLA job. But please lets enjoy the ride thats not over yet.
Rather have lost to Davidson than lose buzz. If it happens ill be devastated."Here's the thing: My title has changed. My W-2 has changed. But my heart hasn't changed," he said. "This is a business that's full of egos, full of media-savvy people, full of exposure, full of money, and a lot of time that changes people. I don't want my title, I don't want my income to ever change who I am.
Christ guys, can we at least wait until our season is over before this starts up again. Plus if he didnt take the A&M job hes not gonna take the UCLA job. But please lets enjoy the ride thats not over yet.
MUDish is here to report that next week Shaka Smart will be named the next coach at UCLA. Much ado about nothing here, christ.
Rather have lost to Davidson than lose buzz. If it happens ill be devastated.
Let me get this straight ...
UCLA fired a guy that has three final fours in the last seven years, and just won the Pac-12 regular season. But his is not good enough in Westwood. So to fix this they will hire a guy three S16s and no recruiting ties to Southern CA?
Make sense to you?
The next coach should rent, not buy in LA. They will be out of a job in three years unless they win it all. With these insanely high expectations, this might be the worst job in college basketball.
GP trying to get his boy Buzz a raise.
Let me get this straight ...
UCLA fired a guy that has three final fours in the last seven years, and just won the Pac-12 regular season. But his is not good enough in Westwood. So to fix this they will hire a guy three S16s and no recruiting ties to Southern CA?
Make sense to you?
The next coach should rent, not buy in LA. They will be out of a job in three years unless they win it all. With these insanely high expectations, this might be the worst job in college basketball.
Supposed to just ignore the articles?
With the recruiting class he has and the talent he has coming back he would be a moron to leave for UCLA. If he leaves he would be just as bad as Crean and he would have done it for the same reasons. It's clear and simple. If he is a man of his word, and he really will stay as long as we'll have him then we are happy and lucky to have him. If he leaves than I think the last two coaches have created a PROGRAM that is bigger than a COACH.
If ucla asks, you say yes. If Buzz gets ucla, he also gets Stone & Looney. A recruiting class with 3 top 50 kids is no big deal at ucla.
"Here's the thing: My title has changed. My W-2 has changed. But my heart hasn't changed," he said. "This is a business that's full of egos, full of media-savvy people, full of exposure, full of money, and a lot of time that changes people. I don't want my title, I don't want my income to ever change who I am.this
"I understand the evolution of how coaches change and how the media and the power hungriness of it all changes people. But I refuse to let it change me. I know I'll get older and I'll handle it better, I hope, but I don't ever want to change what I believe in my heart to be right.
"I'll be here as long as they'll have me here."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/88881442.html
If he thinks MU's administration was tough, wait until he sees conservative UCLA. What, two JUCOs in 10 years? Very tight admissions policy. Etc, etc.
I suspect Buzz would not want his kids to grow up in SoCal.
"Here's the thing: My title has changed. My W-2 has changed. But my heart hasn't changed," he said. "This is a business that's full of egos, full of media-savvy people, full of exposure, full of money, and a lot of time that changes people. I don't want my title, I don't want my income to ever change who I am.Stop. Situations and conditions change. Only a fool constrains himself by blindly adhering to previously held beliefs when the conditions and circumstances that formed those beliefs change. The people that Buzz swore allegiance to are no longer at MU. I know you will trot these old quotes out if Buzz leaves for a better job, but most reasonable people will see it for what it is.
"I understand the evolution of how coaches change and how the media and the power hungriness of it all changes people. But I refuse to let it change me. I know I'll get older and I'll handle it better, I hope, but I don't ever want to change what I believe in my heart to be right.
"I'll be here as long as they'll have me here."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/88881442.html
If he thinks MU's administration was tough, wait until he sees conservative UCLA. What, two JUCOs in 10 years? Very tight admissions policy. Etc, etc.
Pretty interesting NYT piece showing what programs top coaches thought to be the best.
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/best-basketball-programs-coaches-make-the-call/?src=recg
Buzz Williams, Marquette (No. 23)
Programs named: Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Syracuse, U.C.L.A., Kansas
Criteria: “Tradition, winning, who their coaches were, their success in the N.C.A.A. tournament, the notoriety, exposure, media.”
A few observations:
- UCLA is in that list
- Texas is not in that list
- Interesting insight into what Buzz deems to be hallmarks of premier programs (media exposure and notoriety are important to him)
Makes me more comfortable that he won't head to Texas if that job opens up. Who knows if be wants to got after UCLA. Who could blame him though it just doesn't seem to fit with what I think I know about the guy.
Funny that not one coach named Indiana.
I suspect Buzz would not want his kids to grow up in SoCal.
Stop. Situations and conditions change. Only a fool constrains himself by blindly adhering to previously held beliefs when the conditions and circumstances that formed those beliefs change. The people that Buzz swore allegiance to are no longer at MU. I know you will trot these old quotes out if Buzz leaves for a better job, but most reasonable people will see it for what it is.
I'm pretty certain you agree with my above comments, and are only throwing out these quotes to set up the "Buzz is different" crowd if/when he leaves. Trust me, I sympathize with the impulse, but ultimately it's just petty and annoying.
I'm pretty sure he said it about Marquette and not specific people. He didn't say as long as Father Wild will have me. Nevertheless, the grass isn't always greener and if he thinks the MU administration is a ball smasher, he might want to do a little exploration.+1000
I choose to believe in the man's word and the fact he's making $2.8 million. Lots of things show me that MU wants Buzz. Money. New conference. He's winning more than ever despite having to clamp down a bit. New television deal. Etc.
And if he does go, then MU will hire someone very good. Whether it's a Shaka Smart or a Gregg Marshall or whomever, the resources are there.
With the kind of scratch he will make, his kids would grow up in a very nice environment.
A lot more to it than that. All that you say is true, but in the three years prior to this one, 56-45 record, missed NCAA 2 of 3 times, no Sweet 16's, missed on a lot of recruits, many transfers and a bad expose in SI about the problems at UCLA.
It's a what have you done for me lately world. He was at UCLA for 10 years, longer than any MU coach since Al McGuire. It is hardly the worst job in college basketball, which is why you are seeing names like Buzz, Stevens, Smart being mentioned. The right guy wins national titles at UCLA. The wrong guy, doesn't last forever...that's an attractive proposition for some people wanting a chance to grab the golden chalice, for others they want no part of that pressure.
I'm pretty sure he said it about Marquette and not specific people. He didn't say as long as Father Wild will have me. Nevertheless, the grass isn't always greener and if he thinks the MU administration is a ball smasher, he might want to do a little exploration.
I choose to believe in the man's word and the fact he's making $2.8 million. Lots of things show me that MU wants Buzz. Money. New conference. He's winning more than ever despite having to clamp down a bit. New television deal. Etc.
And if he does go, then MU will hire someone very good. Whether it's a Shaka Smart or a Gregg Marshall or whomever, the resources are there.
The off the court incidents of last year at MU may actually work against Buzz on this as well. Again, UCLA very conservative and that baggage, perceived as wrongful or not, more than likely won't play well with Chancellor Block. Chancellor Carnesale is gone now, but I'm sure still has influence.
Just a hunch, but that could be an issue for UCLA (who is not above it all, they've had their own issues).
Supposed to just ignore the articles?
UCLA would be foolish to ask Buzz when Brad Stevens is a coach in the NCAA. What Brad has done with his talent makes what Buzz has done look like a small feat. Brad should be number 1 on that list and all other candidates should be a distant second. We like our coach, we think he is great, but look around at fans in our own conference, watch his press conferences, and watch him dance and you'll see that he fits here but alot of other places are not amused. Buzz will stay because he fits and is happy here.
Even Bleacher Report gets how ridiculous Buzz to UCLA is
"There has been Twitter chatter about Buzz Williams, which is actually funny if you think of Howland's noisiest detractors, who say he plays too grinding a defensive style and doesn't emphasize offense. Williams is the living, screaming embodiment of grinding basketball, the gold standard of punishing defense and just enough offense to escape with a win. The mob would be calling for Williams' head before three seasons were out."
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1578686-ucla-vs-minnesota-does-bruins-loss-signal-end-of-ben-howland-era
I can't think of a person that would hate the whole LA scene more than Buzz Williams.
Except for Corey Williams. She doesn't exactly strike me as the "Real Housewives of Orange County" type.
As my teenage son described it when we visited last year, "It's like Florida - only with way more douche bags."
And if he were to leave for the money, he'd need a huge raise. I'm guessing that a $2.8 million lifestyle in Milwaukee would probably cost close to $4 million in LA. The difference in state income tax alone is going to run well into six figures.
I agree with this completely. I was thinking about this this morning - Buzz's MU teams are pretty much mirror images of the Howland / Dixon Pitt teams. Make it an alley fight and we'll see who comes out alive.
Michael........really? You're better than this.
This story is an internet circle-jerk. Some guy with a twitter account (to paraphrase Buzz's Butler Presser) makes something up and another guy with a twitter account repeats it. Then Hunt repeats it and now it is official speculation ... based on nothing.
No he is not.
I think I'd rather have a college intern be our beat writer than a disgruntled, inflated ego hack like Hunt.
Still liking the idea of outsourcing the blog to Paint Touches.
I always wonder why Buzz is mentioned on these lists. I know it's because he is a great coach, but so is Billy Donovan, Bo Ryan, Steve Fisher, Mike Brey, etc.
Is it because he's only been here 5 years, while the abovementioned guys have been at their respective schools so long that speculating about them leaving has ended/is futile?
Conversely, I NEVER hear about Few being on these lists. Is it because he basically said 'Im not going anywhere' and he's been there since 99 (00?), so people now believe him? Anyone remember if Few was always being speculated for blue-blood/higher profile schools in, say, 2004/05?
Why? So they can continue to ask stupid post game questions (see Blue, Vander) and repeat ones Buzz won't answer. They are a joke.
And if he does go, then MU will hire someone very good. Whether it's a Shaka Smart or a Gregg Marshall or whomever, the resources are there.
Are you serious? They have a lot of great stuff in their blog. (Frankly it is better than Cracked Sidewalks is now.)
And as far as the question thing, that is their job. Good thing Woodward and Bernstein didn't stop at the first "no."
Ah, times change and people change with it. There's a major difference in how they live their lives now as opposed to five years ago. Can't unequivocally state change like that just stops, especially knowing with the money he has and will get that he and family can live a life most everyone dreams about.
For someone like you, a prototypical suburban Chicagoland proselytizer, it's impossible to imagine UCLA mostly out of blindness but more out of not accepting what drives every coach these days: ego. There have been stranger pairings in the past and as long as Buzz feels he can win under their conditions, the other life details can be sorted out in time.
This is worth repeating twice in a thread
"There's a fragile line in our industry, too, and that fragile line is how hard it is to get a job, how hard it is to get a good job and of the small collection of good jobs, how hard it is to have a good job and make it a great job. The hardest thing in life to get is momentum and the hardest thing in life to keep is momentum" - Buzz Williams at Post-Butler presser
Boy oh boy, the Urinal/Sentinel just couldn't wait to jump on this silly rumor. Worthless rag.
Don't put too much emphasis into coach speak. Anyone who follows sports know coaches frequently tell untruths/straight up lies that are opposed to their actions in regards to jobs they take.Really? Didn't he say it Saturday after the Butler game in the presser?
Things have also changed since buzz uttered those words. Don't hear him saying that these days.
This is worth repeating twice in a thread
"There's a fragile line in our industry, too, and that fragile line is how hard it is to get a job, how hard it is to get a good job and of the small collection of good jobs, how hard it is to have a good job and make it a great job. The hardest thing in life to get is momentum and the hardest thing in life to keep is momentum" - Buzz Williams at Post-Butler presser
The amount of disruption and effort and time and risk it requires to get started anywhere else (including Texas or UCLA) is significant.
Couple that with there really not being many good reasons to leave MU? (pay, resources, media, student support, etc)
it just doesn't make sense unless he really is unhappy here, and if he is, it's not something the administration can change.
I also don't buy that the ceiling at MU will not be as high as the blue bloods within the next 10 years. Only difference is if Buzz wants to recruit exclusively one-and-done guys. I don't see it.
Chicos keeps bringing "I will be at MU as long as they'll have me" up and I think its important. It means Buzz sees himself as a loyal guy... he wants to be loyal. That doesn't mean there wouldn't be a situation that he'd leave, but I think he wants to find the reasons to stay, not reasons to go.... also that he entered this job intending to stay. I don't think anyone can say TC entered the MU job intending to stay "as long as we'd have him" with a straight face (nothing wrong with that, but I think it's important).
Scrambling to fabricate a distraction before the Sweet 16. Unfortunately, the jaywalking ticket that Don Walker has been investigating turned out to be nothing.
Vegas is setting the line of the amount of pages this thread has at
15.5 pages
Give me $10 on the over
With the recruiting class he has and the talent he has coming back he would be a moron to leave for UCLA. If he leaves he would be just as bad as Crean and he would have done it for the same reasons. It's clear and simple. If he is a man of his word, and he really will stay as long as we'll have him then we are happy and lucky to have him. If he leaves than I think the last two coaches have created a PROGRAM that is bigger than a COACH.
If he does leave, it is what it is, Marquette is not a preferred destination compared to a bluebood bball school (but I am sure the lunatic, unwarranted LW hatorade will be in full force)....
Without question. A cottage industry in and of itself. The t-shirts are probably on the press now ready to be run and the pitchforks & torches at the ready.You act like this is a done deal Chicos. Is it?
You act like this is a done deal Chicos. Is it?
There was a much more obvious tell in his press conference indicating the likelihood of him going anywhere is zilch... but no one else has picked up on it? Geez... I want to play no-limit poker with all of you guys.drop some knowledge on me
Or Keno Davis, Rob Lowery, or Brad Brownell.
Oviuosly we'll move forward and make the best of it but a coaching search is not as easy and certain as u make it out Chicos. Xavier, nc state, wake forest, Georgia tech know too well. I don't take for granted our success/ successful coaches.
And Shaka Smart? Highly unlikely
You act like this is a done deal Chicos. Is it?
Loyalty is a two way street though. Yeah MU pays him a lot of money, and gave him the resources to outbid Illinois for a top-notch assistant. That's good.
Now MU changes some academic policies for the entire University, and it impacts the basketball team. MU now requires its athletes as freshmen to live in a regular dorm. The University fired one of his best friends. (I'm not bringing any of these things up to debate them, just pointing out how Buzz might feel peeved at his current bosses.)
Look, I have heard enough speculation and rumors and honestly I have no idea how Buzz feels. I have decided this year to just let it roll. What happens, happens and there isn't really anything I can do about it.
And yet despite those changes, MU wins the Big East and is in the Sweet 16 again. No front page BS on the Chicago Tribune or other stuff. If his friend didn't lie, he would still be at MU.
If he thinks the academic clamps are tougher at MU, he's going to just love the criteria at UCLA. 1/3 of the kids on the MU roster right now won't be admitted at UCLA. That's not a dig at MU, that's showing the criteria at UCLA for their programs.
And yet despite those changes, MU wins the Big East and is in the Sweet 16 again. No front page BS on the Chicago Tribune or other stuff. If his friend didn't lie, he would still be at MU.
If he thinks the academic clamps are tougher at MU, he's going to just love the criteria at UCLA. 1/3 of the kids on the MU roster right now won't be admitted at UCLA. That's not a dig at MU, that's showing the criteria at UCLA for their programs.
You act like this is a done deal Chicos. Is it?
I am going to enjoy this week and hopefully the week after this one cheering on the Warriors. This team, led by it's coach, has become a lot of fun to watch. While we might not be the best basketball to watch they sure make it exciting. Whatever happens after the season is over is going to happen regardless of what I want to happen. Having a coach even being speculated as a potential UCLA coach means the program is doing great.
I don't get the logic of UCLA is a better program than Marquette, so if the coach of Marquette is offered the UCLA job, then e would for sure take it.
You are correct, it is not easy, but I have confidence considering the university has done rather well with 5 of the last 6 men's basketball hires.
MU's academic clamps???!!! You mean the ones that are allowing him to have a top 5 NATIONALLY RANKED recruiting class NEXT YEAR, right?! Please.
The wisdom (or lack there of) and common sense (or lack there of) on this board and by reporters is just astounding. No...I take that back. In the case of reporters, it's pure laziness.
And yet despite those changes, MU wins the Big East and is in the Sweet 16 again. No front page BS on the Chicago Tribune or other stuff. If his friend didn't lie, he would still be at MU.
If he thinks the academic clamps are tougher at MU, he's going to just love the criteria at UCLA. 1/3 of the kids on the MU roster right now won't be admitted at UCLA. That's not a dig at MU, that's showing the criteria at UCLA for their programs.
I am going to enjoy this week and hopefully the week after this one cheering on the Warriors. This team, led by it's coach, has become a lot of fun to watch. While we might not be the best basketball to watch they sure make it exciting. Whatever happens after the season is over is going to happen regardless of what I want to happen. Having a coach even being speculated as a potential UCLA coach means the program is doing great.
The off the court BS has stopped,
That's bullsh.t Chicos. UCLA does not have strict academic restrictions for basketball or football.
Chicos can't wait to gloat. Just read the last game thread to find out his motive, God forbid IU wins the NC he will become even more insufferable.
Of course not, but that will be the reaction here. There are people on this board that think basketball should be a professional sport without university oversight and Buzz should have no boss. That is not hyperbole, I will gladly link the posts of said posters who have said that. Don't give him a boss, let him do what he wants, get out of his way, etc, etc, etc.
::) I want him to stay for many years. I see no benefit in another coach leaving after 5 years from MU. Try again.
Isn't he the same cat who asked buzz the same question in the presser after Roger was shut down for asking the question just 2 minutes earlier? Buzz replied with something like "you're my boy, but i'm not telling you"
Actually it is anything but BS. You don't know what you are talking about. I have a number of friends in the UCLA athletic department and compared to MU's, they are much stricter. I've spoken to Dan several times over the years about his challenges as an AD in that conference with the academic requirements they have. The culture at UCLA is that Stanford can win with high academic standards, so can we. There is no escaping it. There have been many So. Cal recruits they don't get involved in because the kids won't make it.
You are as bad as the f*cking Badger board with the "off the court BS." There was *one* incident that wasn't handled correctly by the University, because the University's own policies were screwed up. It wasn't an indictment of the basketball coach.
Really? Majerus (great future coach who wasn't ready), Dukiet (disaster), KO, Deane (mediocre), TC and Buzz. That's one grand slam (Buzz), a couple of doubles (KO and TC) two misses (Rick and Deane) and one disaster (Dukiet). You're a much easier grader than me.
I've spoken to Dan several times over the years about his challenges as an AD in that conference with the academic requirements they have.
NO boss? NO university oversight? Run like a professional basketball team ($70 million salary cap?)? I'm sure there are lots of these guys on Scoop who have advocated these policies. Not.
Actually it is anything but BS. You don't know what you are talking about. I have a number of friends in the UCLA athletic department and compared to MU's, they are much stricter. I've spoken to Dan several times over the years about his challenges as an AD in that conference with the academic requirements they have. The culture at UCLA is that Stanford can win with high academic standards, so can we. There is no escaping it. There have been many So. Cal recruits they don't get involved in because the kids won't make it.
Loyalty is a two way street though. Yeah MU pays him a lot of money, and gave him the resources to outbid Illinois for a top-notch assistant. That's good.
Now MU changes some academic policies for the entire University, and it impacts the basketball team. MU now requires its athletes as freshmen to live in a regular dorm. The University fired one of his best friends. (I'm not bringing any of these things up to debate them, just pointing out how Buzz might feel peeved at his current bosses.)
Look, I have heard enough speculation and rumors and honestly I have no idea how Buzz feels. I have decided this year to just let it roll. What happens, happens and there isn't really anything I can do about it.
I'm sure your high up friends (of which there are many, I know) tell you all about how good their school is.
The actual results show different as UCLA has many football recruits this year that are borderline academically.
The other sports no one cares about I'm sure they ratchet up restrictions.
UCLA graduates 83% of their athletes - 75% of their basketball players, 70% of baseball players and 59% of their football players. Those are very respectable numbers but hardly those of a strict academic institution.
MU graduates 91% of basketball players and graduates over 82% (national avg) in each of the school's 14 sports. Not sure of the exact numbers or overall figure.
The funny thing is that this is exactly the crap the Buzz was talking about in his post game press conference after the Butler game. About how internet types are ruining journalism. This is just another example. Mike Hunt taking speculation by CBS writers as a story.
Hey how bout you write a story, then I’ll write a story about your story and put my name at the bottom of it and call it a day. Nice work Hunt.
drop some knowledge on me
Listening to the presser again .. still doesn't make sense.
A reporter asked Buzz .. "Coach Stevens said in the final 2 seconds you made an adjustment that confused them. Can you tell us what that was?"
Buzz (snaps?) "No. I like you, but no. I can't. Your question was can I explain that, my answer is no."
Next guy asks a question, Buzz stops him and returns to the original journalist .. goes wayyy off the rails, talking about how hard it is to get a job in the coaching world .. takes a swipe at (bloggers?) twitterers, people who haven't earned the job as journalists (?) .. but are treated as journalists. Rambles some more .. "Hardest thing in life to get is momentum. Hardest thing to keep is momentum. I don't want to play in the NCAA tournament any more. And as humble as I can say it, I want to see if we can win another game." ?????
"So the reason my answer is no, is because .. next game is a one possession game. I'm not a genius .. I want to be tough .. "
Then he fires off the comments about not being able to go back to the hotel because of the NCAA. (??)
At best, his answer was something about wanting to keep his coaching a secret, so he could use it again next game...???
Odd, odd.
Nancy Armour asked a q from the AP. I imagine she's the Nancy Armour from MU, graduated around 1990.
Conversely, I NEVER hear about Few being on these lists. Is it because he basically said 'Im not going anywhere' and he's been there since 99 (00?), so people now believe him? Anyone remember if Few was always being speculated for blue-blood/higher profile schools in, say, 2004/05?
That's bullsh.t Chicos. UCLA does not have strict academic restrictions for basketball or football.
Actually it is anything but BS. You don't know what you are talking about. I have a number of friends in the UCLA athletic department and compared to MU's, they are much stricter. I've spoken to Dan several times over the years about his challenges as an AD in that conference with the academic requirements they have. The culture at UCLA is that Stanford can win with high academic standards, so can we. There is no escaping it. There have been many So. Cal recruits they don't get involved in because the kids won't make it.
NIV, that's EXACTLY my point. The anti-LW, anti-Pilarz, leave Buzz alone, let him do whatever he wants crowd doesn't realize that they are allowing Buzz a ton of wiggle room which has resulted in great on the court success, great recruiting class. But there are people here that will say Buzz has been restricted too much on who he can go after. I say nonsense, I'm in agreement with you. Despite the "friction", the program and university are better off for it. The off the court BS has stopped, the team is doing better than ever and the talent coming in next year the best in years. Everyone wins and the "anti LW" crowd can pound sound as far as I'm concerned.
I'm hoping Buzz is here for at least 5 more years...it would be nice to have a coach here for 10 years.....it's been since Al McGuire.
Really? Majerus (great future coach who wasn't ready), Dukiet (disaster), KO, Deane (mediocre), TC and Buzz. That's one grand slam (Buzz), a couple of doubles (KO and TC) two misses (Rick and Deane) and one disaster (Dukiet). You're a much easier grader than me.
And please, I saw all your commentary over there on the Badger board.
I'm starting to view Larry Williams as a Ted Thompson-like figure. He speaks softly (or very little to the media) and carries a huge stick. Instead of being critical of him (LW), I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he really does know what he's doing. Just because he hasn't spoken to us (fans) through the media does not mean he hates Buzz and the hoops program and the Big East, etc.
And as a guy that has been very critical of LW in the past, I'm trying to do just what I say here, which would be to stop reacting to every dog/reporter that yells "Squirrel!" and instead focus on what I do know....which is that Buzz is the coach and all is well until I hear otherwise from a proven, known, respectable souce w/in MU.
Graduation rates are tied also to the difficulty of the school, the majors offered, etc. UCLA also has had far more kids leave to go to the pros early than MU has, that brings down the graduation rates.
if your main goal as a coach is a National championship, there are places where you are more likely to achieve that goal than MU, UCLA being one of them.I'm not so sure that's true. The basketball hierarchy is getting flatter and flatter--see Butler's back-to-back national championship runner-up appearances, VCU's Final Four run, George Mason's Final Four run. MU is trending in the right direction--see string of tourney appearances and back-back-back Sweet Sixteen appearances--and has a nasty recruiting class coming up in. If Blue stays, this team will be competing for a National Championship next year. With this success Buzz is going to come more access to blue chip recruits and we know that Buzz has the charisma to land a couple of the big fish. He has momentum right now after working his tail off to put the program in the position that it's in now. It's time to enjoy the fruits of his labor over the next four years and beyond. There's no reason why Marquette can't have the same amount of success as these other big-time programs. They all had to start from a much more humbling spot as well. I really feel MU is on the cusp of sustained success that can culminate in some Final Four runs and hopefully a championship.
What's he supposed to do? CBS is throwing out names, the local paper in MU's home town is supposed to ignore them? One of the biggest jobs in all of college basketball is open, he's going to have to report something. 99.9% of Milwaukeans don't know MU Scoop exists and it will be news to them that his name is being tossed around but pundits. That's all it is.
Buzz to USC was also added by Jeff Goodman in the same article.
Wrong, Lenny. Crean was more of a "Fielder's Choice."
But he's getting page hits on the blog, which is probably all they care about.
This fits nicely with Potrykous' puff piece on the front page of the Sports section today about how the Big Teen is "Hanging Tough", and yesterday's inspirational story on Dekker's desire to improve and be a leader. Becky fans clearly need something to make them feel better about themselves.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=12&f=1737
UCLA fans aren't naming Buzz. As a matter of fact, they are all over the place. Nobody is good enough, apparently, and the national media is the problem, not an entitled fanbase with inflated expectations. Because they DESERVE to have high expectations.
Buzz isn't even mentioned in this ESPN article.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mens-college-basketball/rumors/post?id=2559 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/mens-college-basketball/rumors/post?id=2559)
If I'm UCLA, I'd take a run at John Beilein.
That is actually kind of a brilliant idea. He plays an exciting brand of basketball that's for sure. He won't win any championships because his teams never play any defense but still.
UCLA fans should know the drill by now. They start out with a ridiculous list (Coach K, Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, Billy Donovan, Bill Self, etc)...then they start getting turned down and end up with their fourth or fifth choice. This has been going on since Larry Brown walked out.
I've sent Buzz an email each of the last 3 years congratulating him on a S16.
I've always gotten a response, and the response has always been something about faith and God.
Have to say, I'm shocked that UCLA is flying commercial Southwest to games.
Of course not, but that will be the reaction here. There are people on this board that think basketball should be a professional sport without university oversight and Buzz should have no boss. That is not hyperbole, I will gladly link the posts of said posters who have said that. Don't give him a boss, let him do what he wants, get out of his way, etc, etc, etc. Again, that's the irony if he goes to a place like UCLA.....he'll be wearing "oversight" like a pair of underwear.Many of us agree that MU should keep high standards. You act as if you're the only one standing up for high standards.
I don't think Buzz is a big enough name for UCLA fans, but it depends how many names they strike out with to ultimately answer that. A UCLA co-worker sent me an email last night after the Ben Howland firing was made official. He ended it with "your coach's name is seriously BUZZ"? 99% of UCLA fans have no idea who Buzz Williams is, but if they strike out enough. I also don't think he is a good fit for the culture.
But, It's UCLA, It's UCLA and that has a draw to many. Excellent school, one of the world's best and more banners than anyone.
I actually think Romar would be a really good fit. He has proven capable of recruiting high level players at UW and seems likeable.
Romar has been a disaster up here for the last couple of years. On the floor his teams have been playing way below their talent level, including a first round exit from the NIT this year. From an ethics level it has been just as poor. Two years ago they reinstated a known pimp (Vinoy Overton) prior to the NCAAs. After they got bounced Vinoy got arrested. Yup, Lorenzo was freaking playing Huggy Bear. I can't imagine UCLA stooping that low.
Many of us agree that MU should keep high standards. You act as if you're the only one standing up for high standards.
I, for one, was unaware that the standards were so low during the Crean tenure that they needed to be raised.Chicos wants us to believe that standards went in the toilet with Buzz.
kill this thread with fire until the season's over or there's a press release introducing Buzz at a different school. Until then? Worthless distraction from our team that's in the freaking Sweet Sixteen.
But distracting? To whom and why? If dozens or even hundreds of Scoopers post on this and similar threads, will that stop Marquette's team from properly preparing for Miami? Will it hurt anybody?
Distracting to us. It is distracting that we, as fans, are now spending the week before a Sweet Sixteen game fretting about what nozzles on twitter who write articles and are paid by the click want to speculate about. It is distracting because it causes us to worry about the future and potential consequences of our coach leaving, rather than focus on the fact that of all the teams in the country, only sixteen are still vying for a title. Enjoy the ride, don't think about what's next til the roller coaster stops.
Distracting to us. It is distracting that we, as fans, are now spending the week before a Sweet Sixteen game fretting about what nozzles on twitter who write articles and are paid by the click want to speculate about. It is distracting because it causes us to worry about the future and potential consequences of our coach leaving, rather than focus on the fact that of all the teams in the country, only sixteen are still vying for a title. Enjoy the ride, don't think about what's next til the roller coaster stops.
Time to stay focused on the week ahead. We will hear speculation until Buzz or MU says something. I think a contract extension/raise announced this week would be nice way to end speculation.
Distracting to us. It is distracting that we, as fans, are now spending the week before a Sweet Sixteen game fretting about what nozzles on twitter who write articles and are paid by the click want to speculate about. It is distracting because it causes us to worry about the future and potential consequences of our coach leaving, rather than focus on the fact that of all the teams in the country, only sixteen are still vying for a title. Enjoy the ride, don't think about what's next til the roller coaster stops.
I think you'd better call the cops and tell them that ruthless Scoopers keep holding guns to your head, forcing you to read coaching speculation threads against your will. It must be terrifying, the lengths these criminals go through to distract you!
And can we pleeeaaaaaassssseeee make this the only.....Buzz to....thread.
Please.
Professional Stevens on his knees begging for a wrong call.
Professional Stevens on his knees begging for a wrong call.
Buzz to UCLA
Buzz to USC
Buzz to Minnesota
Can anyone cite one D1 opening that is not considering Buzz? It seems all the "experts" have Buzz going somewhere. (2013 definition of "expert" is someone with a twitter account)
Tom Enlund now reporting that Buzz Williams will not take the SMU job and will coach Marquette in the 2012-2013 season.
Better fishing!
Some guy from the star tribune just tweeted that Buzz is going to the new coach of the gophers his gut says.
Im getting really nervous.
This would be a terrible blow. Lose buzz to ucla...Fine!! Lose buzz to MN F-NO
Some guy from the star tribune just tweeted that Buzz is going to the new coach of the gophers his gut says.
Im getting really nervous.
This would be a terrible blow. Lose buzz to ucla...Fine!! Lose buzz to MN F-NO
Some guy from the star tribune just tweeted that Buzz is going to the new coach of the gophers his gut says.
Im getting really nervous.
This would be a terrible blow. Lose buzz to ucla...Fine!! Lose buzz to MN F-NO
Some guy from the star tribune just tweeted that Buzz is going to the new coach of the gophers his gut says.
Im getting really nervous.
This would be a terrible blow. Lose buzz to ucla...Fine!! Lose buzz to MN F-NO
Cscoggins or something like that?Chip replied to Gopherhole.
Saw it on Gopher Hole
Trust me guys, the twin cities media is talking out their ar$e.
Period.
Nothing to see here.
Period.
Wrong, Lenny. Crean was more of a "Fielder's Choice."
Many of us agree that MU should keep high standards. You act as if you're the only one standing up for high standards.
If 99% of UCLA fans have no idea who Buzz is, well, that syas a lot about there depth of knowledge of college BB. I think you have a problem with a coach named BUZZ. You have been down on him since the day he was hired, and now that he is a proven winner, you continue your passive aggressive campaign to belittle anything he accomplishes. That is a lot of negative energy.
Chicos wants us to believe that standards went in the toilet with Buzz.
Toiliet? ::) I don't have to go there, the university already did and a few changes were made. Don't like it, take it up with the university.
This is such BS. Don't ever compare Stanford standards with UCLA's. UDub has higher standards than UCLA and I don't see a lot of Rhodes Scholars on Romar's roster.
I'm off to a conference right now Lenny, but I'll pull up the posts for you tonight from some of the illustrious posters here that said those very things. Then you can backtrack and qualify them for everyone.
Yeah, the university was out of compliance with how to report alleged sexual assaults since the Crean regime and they changed that. They also raised the grade requirements that were in effect under Crean and didn't allow freshmen players to live in Humphrey (as they could under Crean). Thank God they cleaned up the mess Crean left behind.
We're still waiting.
We're still waiting.
"I do want a coach who's bigger than the university."
-PRN
"There would be less paranoia if the current AD let Buzz run the school and gave him a long leash. Instead the new AD has tried to shackle/reign Buzz in, in some areas...which is messing with happy."
-Ners
"Make Buzz Williams AD"
-Stone Cold
"So you don't see a problem with an administration dictating to the Head basketball Coach how to run his program? Not being an alum, I could personally care less about anything that happens with the school in reality. I care about the success of the basketball program, period."
-Mu Guru
"Larry has to do his job, but he also has to let Buzz do his without looking over his shoulder. No one in their right mind can do a job well if someone is always looking over their shoulder and looking for what is wrong, instead of what is right."
-Hoops12
"If LW and FP cared as much about the BB program as Father Wild and Cottingham did, they would. Let Buzz run his program the way he sees fit(without cheating of course), let him bring in the type of kids he needs/wants to bring in to try to take MU to the next level, and let him run the basketball operation. They aren't. They are trying to dictate to Buzz how THEY want to see things run. "
-MU Guru
"The issue of course is that not all institutions and AD's set the same limits. It appears MU is headed the direction that won't make it a coach/athletics friendly place - as it was under Father Wild"
-Ners
"What has Larry Williams done and accomplished at MU that makes you think he's immune to the criticism? What skins on the wall does he have? Can you find another example of an AD 90 days on the job, who to the local paper, pretty much says he's going to help his coach become better, that his coach ties his tie too tight, and will either have his head explode or will irrevocably offend somebody - all said about a guy who has 3.5 years in, which had culminated in 3 NCAA births, 1 Sweet 16 and another that followed a month later. Buzz has earned the benefit of the doubt. Larry simply has created doubt."
-Ners
"From a management experience standpoint, Pilarz came to us from Scranton. Larry Williams from Portland. These are the guys currently at the controls of the charter. "
-PRN (apparently these people can't lead because of where they came from...interesting...Buzz came from New Orleans, right?)
"Your exactly right. It is time for MU to part ways with Larry Williams. For those of you who dont follow SEC Sports, Nick Saban committed 29!! Yes 29!! Violations in the past year and I dont think the AD is suspending him for any games or firing any assistant coaches. "
-Kenosha Warrior
"If he goes it's because he is being pushed out or having constraints put on him. Not a decision on who is the better program."
-Golden Eagle 2002
You get the idea
Buzz to Marquette!
http://www.marquette.edu/omc/newscenter/recent.php?subaction=showfull&id=1207621714&archive=
Latest additions... Auburn and USF.
No really... USF. I'm dead serious here.
USF, as in University of South Florida. The place in Tampa. Think Sun Dome.
You can officially add Virginia Tech to the list
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/virginia-techs-decision-to-fire-james-johnson-came-down-to-wins-and-losses/2014/03/18/73cf4f76-aebd-11e3-9627-c65021d6d572_story.html
I think we can now rename this thread.
No way! Now that Buzz is officially at VT, it belongs in the Superbar. Buzz won't be at VT very long and thus speculation can continue
No way! Now that Buzz is officially at VT, it belongs in the Superbar. Buzz won't be at VT very long and thus speculation can continue